FLOTHE: How did you know that? So you go into the garage, what happens then, when you get into the garage? Robert chased after his intended victim, but it was no use. He invited me afterwards to go to dinner with him and a couple of his friends because he felt so bad about putting me through that. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and theres no telling how much longer he wouldve lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of 83. Hudgens: Nothing that I want to talk about quite yet. FLOTHE: Where did he park the car? CINDY: Uh huh. Like a little Datsun station wagon. FLOTHE: You drove past the house? Even though we were filming something that was so heavy and tough to come to work for every day, he had this enthusiasm and energy about him that was just so upbeat and lighthearted, so that even though it was serious, you felt excited and safe. 2022 Anchorage Daily News. CINDY: In jeans. He said cause he used to work on the slopes and that he would come down and spend money for a girl and go to her room for ten or fifteen minutes. What was the most difficult scene for you to shoot and why? FLOTHE: I hope not. FLOTHE: When you got into the car, and you were giving him a head job, is that when he pulled out the gun? One of my greatest aspirations is to change the entire industry, creating a space that embraces the full range of potential and diversity that humans bring.. FLOTHE: How did he get in? Profiling is really an incredible science, its amazing how even the littlest details about a killer can be told by their crimes. I just had no idea what it would be like for me to be fully authentic at work.. (pause) What was it like working with Nicolas Cage and John Cusack? It seems most likely that he was arrested for the sexual assaults in December of 71, remained in trouble with the law (he served a short prison sentence) throughout 72, and probably started killing after his release. Cindy reveals that Hansen flashed some bills at her and that she was entranced by the thought of his money. How do you feel about the final film now that youve seen it? Normally, people try avoiding that. CINDY: About eleven, eleven-thirty. So its immoral to make snap judgments about people. Flothe (Sep 27, 1983) Cindy Paulson talks about Robert Hansen CINDY: (Inaudible) gave the gentleman my telephone number and asked him to call me. The avid hunter would strip his victim naked (often in subzero temperatures) and simply set her free. Workers and drug dealers and dancers came and went, many with few ties to the state and no one to notice if they went missing. Here for the first time are the tape recordings that document that rendezvous. FLOTHE: Would you draw me a diagram of the house and Ill turn the tape off just for a minute while youre doing that. FLOTHE: Youre pointing at Figure Number 21. Your email address will not be published. A MAJOR PHILANTHROPIST. CINDY: It was a really dark color. In order to keep their witness close, the state trooper and his wife befriended the young survivor, then Glenn reached out to the FBI. The Big Timber, Mush Inn, I dont, sorry, I cant remember which one. Im not involved though. What was your reaction when you first read the script? On June 13, 1983, Hansen offered 17-year-old Cindy Paulson $200 to perform oral sex; when she got into the car, he pulled out a gun and drove her to his home in Muldoon. CINDY: The same person. He was a natural leftie, but forced to become right handed. Interview with Cindy Morgan DontHateTheGeek 2.2K views 10 years ago Whiplash Final Scene - Andrew Neyman's Performance Awais Irfan 14M views 7 years ago Ned Lightner 52K views 9 years ago The. CINDY: He said that he would like to have some company. Handle was brown. Robert Hansen confessed to killing 17 women in the 1970s and early 80s and after the murder 30 years ago, led authorities to her body near a lake in the north of Anchorage. He had rolled the window down and I opened the door and I sat down and I talked to him. Her ability to accurately describe every detail of her ordeal was crucial to establishing her credibility as a witness. CINDY: The Buick Century. But that's not the only discrepancy, another Hansen victim, DeLynn Frey, reportedly also was found near the same lake on the same day, but Mr Hoage said Frey was found near another lake in 1985. FLOTHE: What was your phone number at that time? *Though its not super graphic or bloody, this article does contain a couple of images of the killer posing with hunted game animals. But he had brown socks on. FLOTHE: So it had a longer barrel than Order my latest book, What Happened In Craig, HERE and HERE, true crime on Epicenter Press about Alaskas Worst Unsolved Mass Murder. CINDY: Yes, its real Hell yeah, Im bothered by it. Were all connected. Cause that was the smallest he had. And, uh, I called back to her the next the next day or some oth or day or two afterwards. If hed just murdered those women, they couldnt have turned him in, and he wouldnt have been in trouble not committing violent crimes was never an option. Hansen was officially charged with the abduction and rape of Cindy Paulson and the murders of Joanna Messina, Sherry Morrow, Paula Goulding, and the unidentified body known as "Eklutna Annie." On February 28, 1984, Robert Hansen was sentenced to 461 years plus life in prison with no parole. Do not sell or share my personal information. At an APD station, She explains to detectives that she was abducted and repeatedly raped. Whether shed been taken to his house or not, in the end these women (or the known victims at least) wound up in the Alaskan wilderness. And he had pulled out his wallet and showed me a whole bunch of money document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. Required fields are marked *. That opens the door to me being accessible and fully embraced and thats powerful. It had a long barrel. FLOTHE: OK. CINDY: Uh huh. Only reason I know was cause I was layin there. Hansen didn't see his victims as human, the attorney said. She Gets rescued By an patrol Officer. About four stairs to get into the house. We should all help each other out and give love to everyone as much as possible. Or was it some other color? In June 1983, one of his victims, Cindy Paulson, managed to escape his car as he loaded his plane to take her to his cabin. CINDY: Cause they told me, the police officers had told me when we went to the hospital. FLOTHE: Now you mentioned this airplane seat. Hansens House, Old Harbor Road (copyright Leland E. Hale). It was a red scar Dont worry. It shows just how desolate the area is, these poor women really didnt have a snowballs chance. I think before you mentioned something being on the roof of the house. Heres a link: https://www.patreon.com/Morbidnmacabre. Like a station wagon. Purchase Butcher, Baker, Your email address will not be published. CINDY: You know, I didnt feel nothing, cause I knew I wasnt gonna live. CINDY: On the corner of Fourth and Denali. Often the family of these killers catch a ton of hell from the public, how could they possibly share their lives with a monster and not know it? FLOTHE: Did you get into his car, or did he just get out or what? We deserve to identify ourselves and our many pieces, both personally and professionally. How does it compare to what you envisioned when you first read the script? This is Sunday night or early Monday morning? CINDY: Sunday. No problem. FLOTHE: Did he approach you or did you approach him? Can you talk about your fun cameo in Machete Kills and what that experience was like? On June 13, 1983, Cindy Paulson was kidnapped and raped, her life threatened by Robert Hansen. Over by that house on Fourth, with the pickup truck camper. The FBI had been spot on about everything. "When you kill that many women there's a good chance you may have killed some convict's girlfriend," said Bob Spinde, who was in charge of prisoner records. Paulson told Flothe in her interview, which is published in full on Leland Hale's website, the man who wrote Butcher, Baker: The True Account of an Alaskan Serial Killer: CINDY: He just said,. Join Facebook to connect with Cindy Paulson and others you may know. The one person who really seemed to have believed Cindy and became determined to stop this killer was a state trooper by the name of Glenn Flothe. He takes me up the stairs to the garage, I mean, to the house. FLOTHE: Youre trying to get out? If youre very sensitive to that sort of thing (I know that much of my audience is ) then you may wish to skip this one. The killer received a 461-year sentence in February 1984, pleading guilty to four of the murders. He was right to worry, state officials later said. Cause this motherfucker wasnt getting away with it. On the floor instead there was an airplane seat. Police suspected the real death toll was even higher. Cindy had been with BC for 14 years (more than 30 years to date), managing a region and leading many projects when she felt something was missing. "He was mild-mannered Bob the Baker, and as I'm looking at him, all of sudden he transformed. Hudgens: Honestly, its even better than I thought it was going to be. FLOTHE: And then he contacted you on Saturday. And Ill give you one guess as to who fit the bill perfectly! Then he had got my other hand cuffed, I dont know how he did it, it was just frightening, cause I didnt really I fought, but not a lot, cause I knew he would do something. He often found his victims among topless dancers and prostitutes in downtown Anchorage. FLOTHE: OK. And when he pulled up, did you just go get in the car, or did you talk to him And he fuckin had a tan or an Army green tan coat or Army green And boots. It left me wanting to watch it over and over again even though Im in it. That was why [Hansen] kept telling me to lay down. CINDY: The Buick car, inside the garage. You rarely see mention of them, other than the fact that they existed, and I read through multiple articles before I even spotted Mrs. Hansens first name. He was convicted of just four of the murders in a deal that spared him having to go to trial 17 times. If it was something technical, of course, it would take a couple more takes, but for the most part, hes the kind of director that filled me in, let me know the mood that he wanted to convey and where he wanted it to land. CINDY: Uh huh He picked her up in town and told her he was driving her to his home in Muldoon, he said. Way down on the floor. Too often, Robert Hansen was believed instead of the women, many of them dancers or prostitutes, who testified against him. FLOTHE: OK. I personally loved it. CINDY (cont. And he had called me and I slept through it. The website seems to belong to the author of the book which inspired the aforementioned Hollywood movie, his name is Leland E. Hale. Hansens Truck & Datsun Close-up (copyright Leland E. Hale). All rights reserved. FLOTHE: Like a station wagon? Daily News reporter Sean Doogan contributed to this story. Glenn Flothe, AST. It was smooth. And if Im not mistaken I think he had a green or a light t-shirt underneath it. She would, of course, run like hell for her life, but the killer would track her down. Okay, she was standing there and I was driving down the street and she waved a little bit and so forth and I pulled up there and talked with her. She was a prostitute who was kidnapped and raped before managing to escape, but when she went to the police, Hansen evaded arrest because the lead investigator didn't . FLOTHE: Where were you going to meet him at Saturday? One night she picked up a small, skinny client with a pock-marked face who wore glasses and spoke with a stutter. And it was just the usual chitchat, you know, asking, you know, got in the car and asked, how you doing and so forth and whether I was looking for a good time and so forth. Women were tortured, beaten and assaulted before being blindfolded, with their hands bound behind their backs and told to run. Now, from reading your report apparently you had a pretty good description of the house that you gave the police. You know, like mine is. CINDY: Um hmm. CINDY: Yep. With his death, the full extent of Hansen's deeds, including the true number of his victims, the location of their bodies and the identities of all the women he kidnapped, raped and sometimes hunted like wild game before murdering might never be known. I said, fine, we can do it in the car. And then we hear about the same meet up from Cindy Paulsons perspective, documented in her trooper interview with Sgt. It was smooth like Figure 20s handle, but the gun was shaped like Figure 21. Hudgens: I dont like talking about anything until I sign my contract, which I havent done yet, but it will happen most likely pretty soon. So in 1939 Robert was born in Estherville, Iowa to an immigrant father. CINDY: I believe it was right there right across from the Sheraton on Fifth and Denali. FLOTHE: OK. CINDY: Some times they were. FLOTHE: At this time, so I know what youre talking about, cause I have not been in the house, Cindy ): And we pulled over to the side, by the side of the house, and I proceeded to give him a blowjob. CINDY: Yeah. Why dont we start then with what will be freshest in mind, which is the the cases that are pending now and from what happened in June of last year. FLOTHE: How did you know this? CINDY: They look the same. Though he was doing so well in his new life, Roberts dark urges grew stronger by the day; he could and very often did hunt all of the Alaskan game that he liked, but each kill steadily grew less satisfying than the last. This link contains non-graphic crime scene photos from Robert Hansen, it is mostly of the grave sites. After he was convicted of committing murder, Darla finally let go of her marriage; she promptly divorced her husband, then she and the kids moved back to Arkansas to be with family. Did he only do a few takes or did he do as many as he felt he needed? I mean, bills, or did he just give you the change? After we get in the garage we gotta go up these stairs. RH: Yes. I need a cheap laptop, microphones, etc. He doesnt mess around. It must also be mentioned that she and the children were constantly insulted and belittled by Robert, and it wouldnt be surprising to learn that he was physically abusive; there may have been some trauma bonding there as well. All Rights Reserved., https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/, Killers found not guilty by reason of insanity. When he reached the Glenn Highway, he kept driving. CINDY: It wasnt painted. When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. In 1984 this serial was sentenced to 461 years, a ridiculous amount of years to ensure that he would never be released again. CINDY: I think he gave me a five. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. I just want to do everything. He spent many of the final years of his life working as a jailhouse barber. A turning point came in 1983, when a teenage prostitute named Cindy Paulson ran into a Fifth Avenue motel in handcuffs, saying that Hansen had imprisoned her at his home, raped her and put her on his plane for a one-way ride. Darla had known that shed married a dedicated hunter, so when Robert had taken time away from the family, it was easy to explain away. My wife and family were down in Arkansas visiting her folks places and, um, I had met her the first time up town. In the film inspired by true events, Hudgens character forms an unlikely partnership with Alaska State Trooper, Sgt. Hansen died around 1:30 a.m. at Alaska Regional Hospital, said Sherrie Daigle, deputy director of administrative services for the Department of Corrections. The infamous Special Agent John Douglas took a look at the case, and he informed the trooper that his perpetrator would likely have a stutter! FLOTHE: On the inside of your left wrist. CINDY: Um I think it was around six. "As far as Hansen is concerned, this world is better without him." Several months later, police with search warrants went through Hansen's home, finding enough evidence to eventually charge him with four murders. It was funny though, cause before, when he was getting ready to take me to his cabin, he said that, um, there had been seven other girls before me. Top nutrition scientist says you should drink as many varieties as possible UK's electric car revolution stalls: Britain falling behind US and Europe in race to become an EV Charles evicting Harry and Meghan is the act of a King putting his country first: REBECCA ENGLISH reveals A royal princess at Eton? FLOTHE: This car that was in the driveway how new or old was this car? Darla had truly believed that if she stuck it out, she could eventually talk Robert into going to church with her more often she thought that she could save the soul of the man shed vowed before God to love, and her marriage would be fixed as well. There. FLOTHE: Six in the evening? CINDY: Yep. The Butcher Baker passed away of natural causes in August of 2014, he lived to be 75 years old. You see, when we was driving I observed everything. It just felt (inaudible) and he pulled the gun out and that time he had handcuffs on my hands and I couldnt get the door open. Hansen couldn't or wouldn't help identify her. And so, I was guided along very beautifully by them. And I was supposed to meet him but I didnt show up cause I overslept. So, that was nice. Its by far the craziest transformation Ive had yet. For only $3 you can help this site stay up and running! When I read it, I saw it as a character development project, but seeing it overall pulled it all in together. FLOTHE: At what time did he call you on Saturday? FLOTHE: Did you give him the room number too? FLOTHE: When did he tell you this? CINDY: It was probably about a 72, cream-colored Datsun, with a kinda station wagon in the back, the kind that you used to It was about a 72 or 73. Do you know your way around town well, or why did you happen to remember so well where it was at? Now a bad childhood doesnt excuse cold blooded murder, of course, but it can help shed light on how some people are capable of committing atrocities such as these while the majority of us are not. FLOTHE: Oh and you saw a sign that said Dead End? CINDY: No. FLOTHE: OK. And hes driving the same car. Glenn Flothe, AST. Hudgens: I think that theyre doing one. Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walker's suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of. Mr Hoage said the woman was among cases of unidentified and missing people that were being reviewed by the center, with authorities receiving permission for the exhumation, the day before Hansen died. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. FLOTHE: Was there anybody with him on Friday? Hes got like frog warts on his face. CINDY: They were a dark brown. As an act of retribution against the people who he felt had tortured him, Robert talked a young bakery employee into helping him blow up a local school bus barn. In this installment, Cindy talks about being handcuffed by Robert Hansen at gunpoint and identifies his handgun. When police were able to interview her, she explained her grizzly tale in detail. CINDY: Yes, directly. Hansen said that victim is the woman known to police as Eklutna Annie, a roughly 20-year-old brunette whose body was discovered in 1980 by electric workers repairing a power line outside Eagle River. Uh, FR: Would it have been during the time when your wife and children were out of. And it may not even be in there. Kidnapped: Cindy Paulson, Part II July 18, 2017 Admin Leave a comment This is Installment Two of the September 27, 1983, interview of Cindy Paulson by Sgt. While she was in her element, developing regional client solutions with diversely talented teams, she realized that her clients and many colleagues did not know much about her personal life. With Patreon you will receive exclusive posts and more, Morbid N' Macabre - 2023. CINDY: Uh huh. We all have the same needs. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. CINDY: No. FLOTHE: There is a kind of lightish scar there on your So it was nice to kind of test my own mental and physical strength. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. CINDY: Yeah. Once theyd arrived Robert left his handcuffed victim in the back seat of his vehicle while he loaded his aircraft as per usual; Cindy waited until her captor was distracted, and when she saw her chance she jumped out of the car and ran for her life! Your email address will not be published. Im sorry that these photos needed to be included, but we really cant discuss this particular serial killer without speaking of hunting. And brown socks. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and there's no telling how much longer he would've lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of '83. 'We're not trying to solve the crime. Later the girl stated that she had immediately known that those seven other women had been murdered, and she was very determined not to become number eight! They told Hansen they had seized his map marked with 17 locations, spots that they believed indicated the locations of bodies. CINDY: He wrote it down on a (inaudible). CINDY: Uh huh. Psychology tells us that we all process things differently things that you may be able to shrug off, incidents which may make you stronger and more determined could emotionally break someone else quite literally. Hudgens: Thats always been the goal. But then also, it was not personal enough that it would come home with me and affect my sleeping. Robert Hansen is probably the most prolific serial in recent Alaskan history. However, she was never identified and Hansen died last month aged 75, while serving a 461-year sentence in Alaska. It was just shocking and disturbing. They pushed me every day to get reactions out of me on the camera that I wouldnt have done if it wasnt for them taking me to those places. The Special Agent had known that this killer would be into collecting trophies from his victims, that he would have very little self worth, and that hed have a burning hatred for women you know, the usual type thing, but to pinpoint this killers stutter is truly astonishing! CINDY: (interrupting) Well, I went over there cause at first I didnt recognize him. He liked to take these women home with him, and once a victim had entered this killers lair she was pretty much doomed; he would take her down to the basement, often to a secret soundproof room where he already had chains rigged up. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. See how my sights are painted with an orange The many other women who fell into Hansen's grasp were flown into the alaskan wilderness, near the Knik River, where Hansen had a cabin. The woman, who was believed to in her late teens was found on April 25, 1984, near Horseshoe Lake. CINDY: Yeah. Apparently youre bothered by this? FLOTHE: An older car. FLOTHE: Number five. CINDY: Um hmm He had already tortured and raped her, and she was still handcuffed when she ran from his car to flag down passing traffic. Alaska's Missing Planes and People. He was also an avid hunter. CINDY: Regular Just working boots. Still, knowing something and proving it are two different things, and Glenn was going to need a good deal of help solving this case. You know, I was supposed to meet him. Facebook gives people the power to. And that, um, I was lucky because usually the other ones stayed a week. I actually shot that before I filmed this (The Frozen Ground) interestingly enough. Only a dozen bodies were located. Laurel Andrews was a reporter for the Anchorage Daily News, Alaska Dispatch News and Alaska Dispatch. CINDY: I talked to him and made an appointment to meet him and I didnt show up. Can you tell me a little about your character and the status of that project? (Source: Anchorage Police Department) Cindy Paulson was a 17-year-old dancer and sex worker living in Anchorage with her mother. Okay. She is known for her incredible homemade bars that she shares with riders while they enjoy the scenic views of nature along the trail. FLOTHE: What kind of boots? After he was released from prison, Robert decided that he needed to get as far away from Iowa as possible, so he moved near Anchorage, Alaska. Wife is shocked after husband of 15 years asks for permission to have an affair: 'I don't know what to do'. FLOTHE: Did he seem pretty sincere about wanting to get with you? 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