What're we looking at here? Click the button below and we will send you an exclusive deal on this book. Those cars have stability control, PATS, all sorts of other OBDII sensors and whatnot. Up front, the Cobra radiator and cooling fan fit nicely between the frame rails and the intercooler is mounted between the radiator support and the hood latch bracket. unfortunately im on workers comp waiting on my trial in October but I will have the car up and running before February next year. #3. . Black_Chrome: If only I had a mercOh wait, its still sitting out at the farm frown "This holiday season give that special woman in your life something she deserves. The 4.6L SOHC 2-valve engine was the fleet engine of choice for taxicabs and police cars as well as hundreds of thousands of Crown Vics, trucks, vans, and Mustangs, they're usually easy to find and cheap to buy. also check out the 2010-2014 mustang forum up top and check out that new pic with a 6.2l in a 2005 stang I loaded up. I have no idea what engine I'm going to use. The gas pedal is an electronic device that sends signals to the throttle motor via wiring. MM sells them. An aftermarket stainless-steel stock tank was modified to accept the 2003 fuel pump assembly and locate the fuel pump at the correct height. If you are looking at Vic engines get anything after 2001. All Ford modular engines came with Mass Airflow (MAF) computer systems for control. It also requires the use of the 20112013 Mustang GT airbox and inlet hose, which can be cumbersome when installing in a non-Mustang application. CrownVic.net is a forum and information center dedicated to the Ford Crown Victoria and its siblings: Mercury Grand Marquis, Mercury Marauder, and Lincoln Town Car. Written by Dave Stribling and Posted with Permission of CarTechBooks. Nuremberg (Nrnberg), Bavaria's second-largest city and the unofficial capital of Franconia, is an energetic place where the nightlife is intense and the beer is as dark as coffee. While there the factory 4.6 L 2v Read More 1996 Crown Victoria with a 460 ci V8 Update 3 October 22, 2021 Crown Victoria Others can get the connectors, and some use a central junction point that permits remote mounting, but it is big and bulky. (with pics of course). The PCM harness comes out through the side panel and into the passengers side through the corner firewall. (It also contains headlight wiring and a bunch of other stuff you will not need, but get it!) Major changes to the engine may require a change to the size of the mass air meter. Most diagnostic tools now have ports to talk to computers and the Internet for even more capabilities. The major advantage is vct and Im not sure if its worth it. and used safety glass to fill in the rear windows. but later on in the months I decided to just work with what I have already. Why not just use a 3v + manual + pcm out of a mustang? Archive - Cookie Policy - Free shipping. Currently, the best choice for operating the Coyote engine and later engines with VCT is the Ford Performance Control Pack. As one of Bavaria's biggest draws it is alive with visitors year-round, but especially during the spectacular Christmas market. http://www.mylrs.com/blogs/lrs/archive/2009/01/12/Ford-Racing-4.6L-3-Valve-Fox-Body-Swap-Part-1.aspx, http://www.f150online.com/forums/v8-engines/398547-5-4-3v-swap-01-finally.html, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.5.9. 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I think the cams are the same but I could be wrong and yea its not plug and play but its an easy swap. The PCM mounts to the passenger-side kick panel area, similar to the way it is mounted in the 2003 Cobra. Paul did tell me that it took awhile to tune the PCM from the mustang and he spliced a stock 6.2l and 4.6l 3v harness together. Ford F-100 / F-Series Crown Vic Swap Adjustable Motor Mounts for Chevy LS 4.8L/5.3L/6.0L . As the cars became more complex, Ford needed new ways to bring circuits together. You can just machine an adapter plate to use a standard modular cable-actuated dual bore throttle body (ie Cobra/Mach/MM) instead for pre 05 panthers, and fab a small bracket to mount the cables. As more gadgets continued to consume computer resources, the computer needed to evolve. Programming for the ECM is required.. Programming the computer is very easy and the wiring from the donor Cobra can be used. Holley and FAST both sell speed density systems that will work with the modular engine and have specific Coyote harness converters to run these engines. A 5.4 should bolt in right in place of the 4.6. Read an interesting article about the Modular Series of engines and interchangeability. The newer the engine, the more difficult it is to use a factory system. In the end, Patrick got exactly what he wanted: a Crown Victoria that looks & drives as if it came with a Coyote from the factory. A typical vintage muscle car had 5 to 10 fused circuits. The following are brief synopses of the Ford computer systems: The EEC-IV computer was installed on the earliest modular engines in full-size Ford cars. Make sure you have a good, professional multimeter, quality crimp tools for general connections, and the proper pin insertion/removal tool for your job. New diagnostic equipment scans live and stored data, graphs operating conditions, and even recommends a plan to correct the problem. There are three levels of communication with the PCM, and these three levels require three different tools. Most MAF systems use sequential fuel injection, which means the fuel injectors are only firing once per cycle, making them more efficient than some speed density systems that fire every revolution (also called waste spark). You need to buy a wiring diagram! Fuel is delivered based on throttle plate position and engine RPM, and the computer reads the manifold vacuum and controls fuel accordingly. JCG1 im going to stop using modular fords forum and use another forum. While many industry names have been used to describe the computer that controls the engine, Ford refers to its system as the Powertrain Control Module or PCM. West Coast wiring guru David Toth has found that the Ford Controls Pack computer lays in perfect on older Mustangs and Cougars by mounting the PCM in the old battery tray area. crown vic 3v swap old restaurants in lawrence, ma SHARE THIS ARTICLE:Please feel free to share this article on Facebook, in Forums, or with any Clubs you participate in. Just like stangaddiction said itll raise your compression ratio a lot and that high I wouldnt trust using a 93 octane tune with it being safe. Some tuner dealers dont like to deal with swaps because the owners generally dont tell the tuner everything they have done, or the swap builder makes a mistake with the wiring and blames the failure on the programmer. Mustang is lower profile intake with dual bore throttle body and Explorer is a little taller with single blade round throttle body. VI-VCT used on the Coyote engines does the same for the exhaust cam and eliminates the need for an EGR system and improves emissions. SCTs Eliminator Switch Chip is a plug-in device that can store up to five custom programs on one chip. i bought a 6.2l short block and heads for it. The 2003+ Ford Crown Victoria has become a popular chassis swap donor for older vehicles, especially pick-up trucks for several reasons: First, starting in 2003, the full-sized fords (Crown Victoria, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car) all had rack-and-pinion steering and a coil-over style spring and shock assembly. Using Ford factory wiring harnesses is an option for most engines and projects. Yes and no. If it's a 3 valve it will be straight. But it may prove more challenging as Ford continues to improve its security systems. The battery was also relocated to the trunk. Book Hotel VICTORIA, Nuremberg on Tripadvisor: See 1,625 traveler reviews, 539 candid photos, and great deals for Hotel VICTORIA, ranked #2 of 130 hotels in Nuremberg and rated 4.5 of 5 at Tripadvisor. Ford changes the circuit pathways through the harnesses frequently. I run a shortblock from a 07 3v with 44cc TFS 2V Heads. For more information on this product or to see the complete offerings from Ron Francis wiring, go here. These computers are all mass airflow design, so they must use an airflow meter to measure the amount of air going into the engine. The exhaust features a custom 212-inch pipe system with off-road X pipe running from the stock Cobra manifolds. i have benn told that factory 6.2 heads flow just over 300cfm. According to the wiring gurus, Were proud to introduce a complete fuel injection wiring system for 2005 to 2006 and 2007-2011 Ford Crown Victoria 4.6-liter engines. Zlib compression enabled. As far as I know on this forum, it's never been done before. Free returns. dedicated to the 2003+ Crown Vic swap in F100 specifically to the 53-56 but pre 53 and post 57 are welcome. Programmers were first told that PATS was hard-wired into the computer, but this turned out to be not true or they were able to get around it. With tunes, headers, correct y pipe its very powerful. Speed density systems use on-board fuel curves and data to calculate the best operating conditions. The main problem right now with the 5.4 options is that there are only one intake designed to fit under the hood og the crown vic and it's the hps intake. That is the main reason I was wondering about the feasability of the SOHC 3v. Or wait for the 5.4 3v? New stock 1967 fuel tanks are being fabricated out of stainless steel, and this was the choice for modifications for the 2003 dual fuel pump. This wiring kit comes with all of the sensor connections pre-installed on color-coded and printed wire which attaches to the engine and transmission using the factory ECM. A Crown Victoria engine and a Mustang engine may have the same connector, but Ford changes the pinouts of the wires in the connector. Anything that can affect what the computer thinks it is seeing needs to be addressed. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.5.9. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! . It,s a 5.4 2v N/A and it fit rather very well into a 03+ crown vic. This function can test whether a sensor or switch is turning on or off, can measure the percentage of sensor in use, or the voltage reading of the sensor. This port allows you to read error codes, look at logged and live data, and change computer programs. These cars never came with a 3v. many people have done the 54. lightning swap also. The next step up is the ability to read the data stored in the computer and the ability to perform specific tests on certain items controlled by the PCM. A custom baffle was built into the insert to keep the pump from starving under heavy acceleration and turning. Error codes are primarily usedfor emissions issues, and when your PCM senses a problem, it stores a DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Code) and turns on the check engine light on the dash. About 1999, the Passive Anti-Theft System (PATS) was improved, and installing aftermarket components such as instrumentation became difficult. JavaScript is disabled. A Crown Victoria engine and a Mustang engine may have the same connector, but Ford changes the pinouts of the wires in the connector. The first is a basic low-cost code reader, the second is scan tools and data loggers, and the third is programmers. 02 Gt Oxford White, 07 Gt Tungsten Grey, 17 Gt Black, 87 Mercury Grand Marquis, 09 P71 Black. from what ive seen you have to cut out the front crossmember. We will safeguard your e-mail and only send content you request. this is the GRM forum where small engines rule, so i'll be the one to suggest the turbo 2.3/T5 combo from the Thunderbird Turbocoupe. Do I stick with the 4.6 2v? The EEC-V computer can be identified by the four rows of control pins in its main connector. (Photo Courtesy Classic Resto Garage). The factory system allows you to use and control components such as automatic transmissions, ABS units, and fuel systems without extra controllers. Be prepared to modify the transmission tunnel in the car. So a freer breathing head would make more horsepower, and the 5.4's added displacement can still keep intake velocity up at lower RPMs, which is where torque is made. The only other fitment issue was the IAC solenoid, which was mounted on top of the supercharger intake. Some other harness suppliers require you to convert to GM-style generic sensors, which may make it difficult in the future to remember what is installed in the car. See if they can dyno the car afterwards so we can see what kind of numbers you get. The biggest reason for plug and play is the car is at my brother's 1200 miles away in Montana. The jump to EEC-VI and improvements such as drive-by-wire technology and Variable Cam Timing (VCT) came in 2005. I figured with the valves being in different locations it would affect that but Ive never build a mod motor myself. The EEC-V computers have a port that allows a programming chip. All Ford modular engines come with mass air fuel injection systems from the factory. A mass airflow system features a meter mounted ahead of the throttle plate that measures the amount of air going into the engine. A remote oil filter mount and oil-to-air cooler are also used. The QA1 F-100 kit is designed for this exact truck. Here are just a few that you need to be aware of: Gone are the days of using the old oscilloscope to analyze your engines performance. Out the factory door, the P71 Interceptor Crown Vic managed 239 horsepower out of its 4.6 liter V8. However, a simple software jump in the PCM programming could defeat these systems. What do I need to swap for ECM, harnesses, and such? The first is a basic low-cost code reader, the second is scan tools and data loggers, and the third is programmers. The TBW throttle body/servo is only a minor issue. i was told to buy an, lsittingbull thanks for replying, sorry no updates except I have cut 5 inches and shortened my crown vic. A forum community dedicated to Mustang and Ford Performance owners and enthusiasts. This plug connects to the Ford communications network and to the PCM. This build-in-progress is a 1967 Mustang coupe and it is receiving the full pro/street build out with a complete running driveline from a 2003 Ford Mustang Cobra donor car. It would also open you up to a newer style intake manifold. Unless you are a wizard with fuel curves and shift points, you will be working closely with a tuner, and they will probably use the tuner they are most comfortable using (see Chapter 10). Check out our discussions on the Ford Escape, Mustang, Edge, F-150, Raptor, Explorer, Focus, Fusion, Fiesta and more! VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Great job steel. Hi guys, yesterday my engine decided that 182,xxx miles was enough and developed a rod knock, i drained the oil today and yep, all glittery and such. The V-10 has 2 places for the motor mounts to bolt to and we moved motor mount to other position and it bolted in the crown vic clip. He currently owns a '95 Corvette, '76 Cadillac Seville, '99 LS1 Trans Am and big old Ford Van. The throttle-by-wire system helps the engine run smoother under acceleration and deceleration and changing torque conditions. The engine and transmission were set back about 4 inches to help with the clearance of the stock Eaton-style supercharger snout, as this build will use a stock 1967 turn-signal hood. Starting in 1996, the Ford Securilock system was integrated into Ford cars and trucks, and in 1999, Ford upgraded to the PATS II system. And the same goes for the wiring; you may have to extend, trim, or tuck away wiring that doesnt quite fit. The car has received a mini tub in the back and all four fenders have been flared 112 inches. Finally 4.6 3V swap made easy | Modular High Performance | Crownvic.net Thanks to Chevyguy who reviled me that Ford Racing has a Control Pack that allows easy installation of a 4.6 3V (300hp stock or 350hp with cams) engine into a vehicle with a manual transmission. This means provisions need to be made in your swap to accommodate the throttle-by-wire gas pedal. Now I want to put a V10 in for fun. In addition, you dont have to verify the sensors that are installed on the engine, as some aftermarket systems require a change to generic sensors. A programmer manufacturer can give you a list of tuners in your area, or you can work with one over the Internet. If you get 360 at the wheels, then yeah you're probably close-ish to 450 at the crank, as 360 is 80% of 450. Make sure that the system you choose is legal. You may also have to move pins within connectors if you have mismatched harnesses, or if you are trying to combine harness connectors. Their bundle saves time, money, and headache when wiring up your ride. I really wanted to do the swap in an sn95 because a full bolt on 3v in the lighter sn95 chassis with a good suspension would be a nice strip car. As far as track width, it's over 3" narrower than the Crown Vic front end as well. Non-supercharged engines can mount over the front axle if desired. In 2005 Ford introduced the throttle-by-wire system that actuated the throttle plate using an electric motor rather than a traditional cable. I believe it's a 7mm socket scree head and unplug it and pull it out. It can be set up for a factory returnless fuel system or an aftermarket fuel pump with return line. Seems like alot less hassle. Respi Mee Sup Sabahiiat. Some manufacturers still sell speed density systems, and they use a Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor to measure the pressure inside the intake manifold. No, the late model 3v has cam phasing as well, and it's mated to the 6R80 trans as opposed to the AOD 4R75e which is kind of a slushbox. It is usually found on the drivers side of the interior under the dash. The 4.6 3V was dropped in 2010, but the 5.4 3V continued in some trucks until 2015. Go here to check out what weve been up to. Diablosports InTune i2 compact tuner can hold as many as five custom tunes, log data real time, and talk to your favorite tuner via the USB port, allowing it to be programmed from a remote site from anywhere. idk really. com). see I don't know how the PCM works or how it turns on at first that's why I just asked about using a 3V control pack from ford. I'm going to look into it a little further, I'm more surprised than anything else that nobody else has done it. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Would also like to add AC to the truck as well if the makes a difference. the factory harness lays right on top of the motor. Black Label Garage 1.78K subscribers Subscribe 89K views 4 years ago In this episode i go over what it takes to bolt up your Crown Vic IFS into your. She is rust free but does have minor exterior hail damage and could use a paint job. This allows a scanner to access the analog and digital sensors that are controlled by the PCM. These read the codes from the computer, and then you can check your manual or online for a solution. We'll send you raw engine tech articles, news, features, and videos every week from EngineLabs. Of course my fantasy build is a V10/Fox-bodied Mustang with a manual trans (T56?). The 4R100 is quite a bit larger than the 4R70W, but a little smaller than the TorqShift. USA Distributor of MCM Equipment crown vic 3v swap Using the control pack requires you to convert your system back to a mechanical fuel regulator and return system. Make the donor look like the original (electrically). The basic code reader can read error codes stored in the computer. With incredible quality and customer support, Ron Francis offers plug-and-play functionality and years of reliable service. (Photo Courtesy HP Tuners). The 2v with PI heads is a an exccelent power making motor. You need to have some experience in wiring and making proper connections, and these aftermarket harnesses only control the engine and, if equipped, the transmission, and may not be capable of running any other components from your donor car. To fit it in the truck we got a front frame clip from a wrecked crown Vic police car with heavy duty suspension.and attached it to the original chassis and boxed original frame and 9 inch rear end. JavaScript is disabled. Speed density is still used by some aftermarket systems due to its ability to be tuned without having to change the mass air meter. QA1. valve train. When your computer sets an error code, it records exactly what was happening when the error occurred. The three connector plugs easily identify the 2005 and up computers. Through the scanner you can turn on the low and high fan outputs on the Ford system before you fire up your engine and know you will have the cooling fans on first start. The valves open towards the edges of the pistons and the edges are not dished. However, it will be a little wider, and a little taller, so you may have to cut the Y-pipe in the exhaust to get it around the 5.4 block. The tunnel is just large enough for a 4R70W transmission that normally comes in the car. DMX. I own an '88 GT and can tell you the engine bay is HUGE once you factor out all the crap needed for emmisions and A/C. Like with the Mustang in Black (see Chapter 2), this owner wanted to take full advantage of all the capabilities of the newer Cobra such as ABS, modern cruise control, and returnless fuel injection. About | Contact | Terms | Privacy, Unless you will be using the stock pump and controller in your. Some systems computers can be reprogrammed via the Internet through built in Wi-Fi or through a laptop. cams, sheet metal intake I made, injectors I cant remember the poundage though, billet fuel rails, 100mm tb, cam covers that I made. The long blacks are the SAME. This one should do a bit more than that seeing as it has a custom Marty Ochs tune and a. If you do this please post on here your progress. Whether you prefer a physical book. The computer calculates the amount of fuel to be delivered to the engine based on air volume, air temperature, manifold pressure, and exhaust gas mix. As a result, the old mechanical fuel pressure regulator and fuel tank return line were eliminated. New Daily 2016 Dodge Charger R/T Road and track, purchase with 16K now 23K after 3 months. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The pistons are 4-5cc range which would put the static CR in the 11.4-11.5 range with PI heads (probably too high for stock cams). The fuel system was custom designed to use the components from the 2003 Cobra. The pcm wont let the engine ping. If you are going to use a Ford harness and computer in your swap, make sure you get all the wiring and electronic parts from the donor car. The fuel ring from a donor tank was grafted to the top of the tank and a custom baffle was installed for the in-tank pump. May not be what your going for but the videos should give you some. harness all at once. This required a set of custom fabricated mounts to place the engine back far enough. If you bypass items such as the EVAP or EGR for off-road use, or you are converting a mechanical fuel pressure regulator, you need to let the PCM know what you are changing. Insight towards what to expect 3 Dimitrov67 3 yr. ago thanks man i'll take a look at it OlYeller01 3 yr. ago Ford is very good at keeping the wiring colors consistent, but it doesnt really want you interchanging harnesses. The Bosch base unit fits nicely on the 1967 strut rod mount, and sensor rings will be added to the front Mustang II spindles. This is probably too pie in the sky to be practical, but what would it take to put a 3V engine in a Panther, assuming you locked out the cam phasers to disable the VVT system? Some of these systems are best controlled using a factory computer. Strong engine, but you may have a struggle getting the torqshift to work properly. I have been trolling the auctions and I am looking to pick-up a Crown Vic Cop Car. Freeze-frame data records the engine performance, as well as speed, emissions, what gear you were in, everything. In 2003 Ford went to a faster data channel, so older code readers wont read newer computers. . 4v? The throttle-by-wire systems include this servo motor thats attached to the throttle body to move the throttle plate. Generated in 0.029 seconds in which 0.014 seconds were spent on a total of 16 queries. The HPT Tuner Suite puts the power of a professional tuning shop on your home PC. Mass air systems are typically less tolerant of big tuning changes than speed density systems due to the sizing of the mass air meter. They are available in book or digital format for your computer. JavaScript is disabled. This information is useful not only for drag racers with laptops; familiarity with the capabilities of your engines computer system and ways to optimize your engine swap will help you meet the goals for your project. Cardone New Fuel Injection Throttle Body. Only car that came with more than two valves was the Marauder which had a 4v. Its larger pins and unique plug keying identify the EEC-IV computer. the 6.2l uses different sensors for the crank and cam pick-ups then what the 4.6l 2v uses. Brand New. F100 Build: Crown Vic IFS Swap! Ford CROWN VICTORIA 5.0 LTR V/8 Cyl OHV V/8 Fits 82-97 Casting No: D7OE D8OE E7TE F3TE Additional Applications: Ford - TRUCK, F SERIES 1982 to 1997 Mercury - MARQUIS 1982 to 1997 Notes: 302 V/8 Price: $235.00 VIEW DETAILS Ford CROWN VICTORIA 5.8 LTR V/8 Cyl OHV WINDSOR Fits 69-78 Casting No: C90E D5UE Additional Applications: With the exception of being able to erase codes, this is pretty much one-way communication, but it is still beneficial. My car in its current state makes 215hp? 2004 Crown Vic LX SOLD!! The rear suspension is also out of a 2003 Cobra, but its slightly modified to work with the mini tubs provided by Autoworks International. Ford F-100 / F-Series Crown Vic Swap Adjustable Motor Mounts for Big Block Ford 429/460. You can choose between an aftermarket or the factory system that originally came with your engine. Now the pistons are different and I believe won't allow the use of 2v heads. This is more of a two-way communication with your computer, and the computer can respond to your inquiries and perform tests for you. does the 6.2 have variable valve timing? Along with the standard industry error codes, each manufacturer has some proprietary codes that are available to cover specific features of its vehicles. oil pan, EGR, wiring harness. babygurl2020 4 yr. ago A 2 valve have a curved or a bent In the coil pack just remove one and you'll see. Nuff said. Come join the discussion about performance, racing, builds, modifications, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! About the time the VI-VCT engines came out, Ford improved the PATS system to the point that aftermarket performance tuners found it difficult to bypass the system.
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