And there is one thing we know about Satan. One, its impossible, and were gonna get killed, were gonna get slaughtered on that. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. None of those charges were looked into. Shame on you for reading scripture! You cant unconditionally support anybody. H arvest Bible Chapel and founding pastor James MacDonald have announced that they plan to drop their lawsuit against The Elephant's Debt bloggers and Julie Roys after a court today denied. All my legal fees got paid. And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? . They should go to the reconciliation team. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. Can you say what was in that letter? I mean, again, it was a meeting into the wee hours of the night, early morning. Okay thats what Gods word says. Tim, thanks I should have read before commenting and exactly! Divorce sadly acknowledges the truth. Hi. @Cynthia Wright Love your comment. Charles, Great! And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? I would listen to MacArthur, Piper and Macdonald on a regular basis. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. If theres other passages we should be talking about, lets talk about them. And you know, shepherds, I think of John 10, right, the the hireling runs away, the Good Shepherd stays. The elder board of Harvest Bible Chapel formally apologized to independent journalist Julie Roys and several former members, months after joining founder James MacDonald in a defamation lawsuit accusing them of publishing false information about the church's management and finances last fall. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. Its funny how things turn out, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet. So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on. Think Ill go preach at my cat nowhe has huge ears & better discernment than those willfully cowering in the open cage of the corporate state-church. Can you share what was in it? Ostensibly, one of the assets MacDonald obtained in the arbitration settlement is the list of email addresses of former Walk in the Word supporters. We did not hurry. Thank you. So if youre listening, you need and you havent read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. Then, referencing his arbitration with Harvest, in which he won about $2.5 million, along with all digital and physical assets of Walk in the Word, MacDonald writes: When we won the arbitration and regained access to our teaching ministry, it was in shambleslike a model plane that had flown so beautifully, being returned with report of a crash, when in reality an envious child had dashed it against the rocks just out of sight.. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. The airing accelerated the timeline. There were six people who were brave enough, vulnerable enough to write letters. This is the most used and abused (pun intended) argument. So Rick had been there 29 plus years. And I got it. So I appreciate it. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over. And a few days later James MacDonald's sons, Luke and . So then James McDonald flies in, right? She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. And it became so obvious to be like that that was what it was. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. Thankfully, I had headphones on. To donate, click here. I said, I will confess my transgression to the Lord, and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. And so she sent me a letter before it went to the elder board. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. Great! I did hear from one after I reached out to him because we had another connection with another organization that hes a head of. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. . The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. I appreciate elders (Hebrews 13:17). Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. . We dont know how much the top people at Harvest make. It was a conference call because it happened fast. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. We are so embarrassed and disgusted by his gross actions in the last 30 years. Dan was one of the elders who fired James McDonald. And were talking about a private jet. Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. You can unconditionally love someone. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. And he says he refuses to read it and says hes not going to mislead the congregation. Any update on the James MacDonald vs Harvest debacle? Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. Julie. There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. I think of the timing, I think it was earlier that day, that I actually I sent I had sent Sandys letter out, because Sandy sent, she addressed her letter to the elder board. There were voices raised. . Gary Weigel, if you total all the expenses including vet bills, it might be more than a tithe. And Im just trying to smear him. And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. On Thursday, Im in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadnt been in previous meetings to let him resign. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. And again, youre one of the people who actually apologized for that. 1) Julie Roys. But it was dark. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. Hes talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/898.htm bagad (treachery aka abuse) is used FIVE times in Malachi 2:10-16!!! What Happens Now? Thats a Tuesday night. And eventually, and I know you send them with a lot of safeguards, so they couldnt be forwarded. And this wasnt a one time thing. He is not a pastor. Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. And I was muted on my phone. How about that one? Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. I know a lot of people look at this. Dan and his wife, Kim, subsequently left Harvest, but remain committed to the integrity of the Church and caring for those who have been hurt in the Church. Thats about my attitude lately. And if I would, you know, post some sort of statement. Nah Gary, thats just typical cat behavior for you, with or without Kenneth Copeland. Ed Stetzer was given a car by James MacDonald, along with a bunch of cash and other things that Roys documents in her reporting. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. It was the elders failure. Yet, Dan, you owned it. ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. However, you did sign a letter of unconditional support. And I just remember my first feeling, you know, just honestly, relief. James MacDonald and Harvest: Years of Discord . And you couldnt be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. It looks like these contemporary churches are just fundamentalists in different garb. And and its sad to me other than when they did finally, the former elders apologize for the lawsuit that was brought against me. Of it could be that shes been taken in by him. He was an incredible communicator both orally and his deportment was engaging. Theres no joy in doing this. Harvest didnt know what it looked like to not have him as a senior pastor. Yes, it is. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. . Well, youre welcome. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. If you went back to when the Elephants Debt was launched, I think this is telling. The Roys Report has over 78 articles dedicated to MacDonald and/or HBC, many of which were written by Roys. So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Hes a deceiver. Wow! To donate, Lead Pastor and Exec Team of ARC Megachurch Resign Amid Allegations of Bullying and Financial Misconduct, EXCLUSIVE: Dozens Say ARC Megachurch Pastor Bullied and Shamed Staff, Volunteers, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. And why do you do it in front of everybody? Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And her being in my house and literally shaking as shes recounting. Maybe some have on this platform for posting Julie has provided, but Ive never seen it. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. Great! Am I characterizing what happened there accurately? May 19, 2021 10:53 am To some former Harvest Bible Chapel insiders, Rick Donald was not just James MacDonald's right-hand man; he was also his "hatchet man" or "smiling assassin." Load more None of my sources said it was wrong. Well she finally called Julie Jezebel Roys I invited Julie to appear in a public forum before and interested audience and answer for the many many lies she has told about me and my family as well as her bullying of anyone who opposes her or stands with us. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. That didnt happen. The Lord made it really clear. Church, Ministry News Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? So appreciate that and appreciate your humility. And I got the text. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. And I knew that I needed to do something publicly. Yeah. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, he's a victim of defamation by an "envious child"and needs your money "to rebuild." "Tragically . And I remember talking to another elder and I looked at him, he was almost in tears, saying, I cant believe were not going to do what Gods word says. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. How do spot a safe pastorand can. Yeah, I can share some of it. And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. So I mean, again, this was round. And you then forwarded them to the elder board. I called him. Thanks! (Proverbs 27:12). Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? Jesus help us. She sends it to me and I wrote it. And I dont need to know. And then you know, you would categorize these things. Julie can and has spoken for herself, but I must speak up against loaded questions like this. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Ive looked back at that email thread, Ron Duitsman who was the elder board chairman, resigned that day. This was months months later. ( was spent) That seems pretty straightforward. And you know, told her that I would get it to the motherboard. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. . Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. And I know I totally get what youre talking about. This isnt phrased to have constructive conversation. I dont believe God makes mistakes when creating us a certain sex. So thats why I think its so important to get the truth out there and to just keep speaking the truth. And so I felt relief. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I said, again, please dont do it just because Im asking you. Am I characterizing that correctly? If this passage defines what a strong husband looks like, I think most of the issues take care of themselves. Pastor James MacDonald. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. Very interesting discussion. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. Im Julie Roys. He has always been a total its all about me. Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. Because Im not a quiet guy in meetings. What what were you thinking? And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving. Visconti wins the Internet! Julie Roys lives for her anti gospel, anti authority, man hating bias - even partnering with shock jocks like Mancow Muller or worse. She gave it to me to get to the elders. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. So let me let me take you to February I believe is February 12. However, an email that I got, that Duitsman had sent out and then it was leaked to me, said that what Duitsman was upset about was the fact that the elders were admitting that they had failed. So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. Julie, thank you for your excellent work in exposing that which is done in darkness, among the body of Christ. I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and its a former corporate space. Had it not been for that recording, I mean, what do you think? The Roys Report reached out to MacDonald with questions about the email, which he would not answer on the record. I know its your hope too, Dan, and I just want to thank you. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? Bank Dismisses Foreclosure on James MacDonald's Estate After Settlement with Harvest. James MacDonald, who was recently fired as senior pastor at Harvest Bible Chapel, is now facing an allegation of sexual misconduct by the church's former worship leader. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. harmful to the best interests, Disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, continued his tirade against me and The Roys Report on Tuesday, repeatedly calling me #JRgossipslut and asserting that I am, According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. And there was a group and we had two prayer meetings of people who had been former elders, staff people who have gone on the record with me. I certainly am no Bible scholar. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. No one takes joy in doing this. If you wind back and in in elder meetings, I remember it being said by several several people, years before, if people start arguing the process, you know, you have them right up there arguing in the process. But to tell people they have to stay in a situation of violence, trauma and harm, or return to it, this is not a core tenet of Christianity. Still. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. The leaders were brought together. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. And I said, Listen, I get it. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? Again, thanks so much for joining me today. I mean, here he is in Haiti, thats just been wracked by an earthquake, unbelievable poverty and devastation. And then he apologized. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. And that was a big question. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. It was positioned as an attack because the ministry was growing and those people were bitter, etc. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. He should sell cars or computers. Is that an accurate representation? I really am so very sick of these self-righteous, insensitive, insulting church leaders who think they are the only ones who have a hardwire connection to God preaching on the subject of wives submit to your husbands while they leave out the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. One is, I dont want people to give up on the church. I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. I mean just absolutely devastating stories and, and feeling the pain. They discuss the role of journalism as it relates to local churches and prominent leaders, and her her current work investigating Harvest Bible Chapel and Pastor James MacDonald. Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. I did not cover my iniquity. I said, Sandy, Im so sorry, for what happened on my watch. I had, of course, people from Harvest who had heard it, sending me sending me clips. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. . Vernick, however, believes abuse is grounds for divorce. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. The text included the hashtags #gossipslut #gossipmonger #filthygutterwebsite #cancerinChristsbody., MacDonald also tweeted the invitation, referring to me as Julie Jezebel Roys.. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. I believe the board was deceived by Satan. So were in the meeting. And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. How come church leaders and male congregants are always beating up the women with this particular Scripture but no one ever (to my knowledge) addresses the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church? And I dont know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didnt think that the elders should read all of them. Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldnt even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. The 8 Best Julie Roys Podcasts. There were elders and influential families that spoke against Moses in the desert, God destroyed them and their families. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James McDonald? Her articles have appeared in numerous periodicals. Production and performance have replaced biblical exegesis and fellowship. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. And, again, this is five days after I published my expose of Harvest and World Magazine. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? Members coming to her, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet day! 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